Spot on Thunderbear, Clufetos passer Sabbath som hÄnd i hanske! ....og en ting er sikkert, og det er at han gjÞr en langt bedre jobb for bandet i dag enn det Ward hadde vÊrt i stand til Ä gjÞre - spesielt med tanke pÄ en hel turne. Ward var beklageligvis ikke helt den han engang var sist jeg sÄ han med Sabbath, og med respekt Ä melde tror jeg neppe han hadde vÊrt noe bedre i dag...Thunderbear wrote:Saklig.GullbrÞd wrote:BÄde Brad Wilk og Cleftosk er bÊsj. MÄ fÄ inn nokon som kan swinge.
Wilk spiller ikke veldig spennende pÄ plata (der det vel er Rubin som regjerer/regisserer hva han skulle gjÞre), men er da en bra trommis?
Clufetos gjorde sakene sine veldig bra pÄ turneen, synes jeg. (SÄ dem live 2 ganger, i tillegg til Bluray (Gathered in their Masses) og div youtube-opptak).
SkjÞnner virkelig ikke hva du mener, pÄ noen som helst mÄte.
Black Sabbath - beste album
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Utsagn fra Brumunddal:Han: "Je mÄ innrÞmme att je er litt pÄ sjekker'n"
Hun: "Det kommer du ikke langt med her"
Han:"Je kjĂŠm helt i fra Ă sbygda je"!
Being a Klopp-timist YNWA <3
Hun: "Det kommer du ikke langt med her"
Han:"Je kjĂŠm helt i fra Ă sbygda je"!
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Er mest imponert over at han(clufetos) ikke er helt utkjÞrt etter et par lÄter. PÄ Gathered In Their Masses opptaket gir han jo alt han har hvert et slag.
Oppdatering fra Bill Ward:
Bill Ward
11 mins ·
Dear Friends,
I hope youâre well and in good spirits. I have not made any public statements regarding my relationship with Black Sabbath since February 2012. Today, I want to address that relationship in this formal statement. Thank you.
I have neither severed nor discontinued my relationship with Black Sabbath, however, since 2012, the often inaccurate statements about me as a person and as a musician have caused me to be guarded and be especially detached emotionally and spiritually from Ozzy. His rhetoric above all has brought me the most discord. The continuing misguided information about me has established a necessity on my part to confront these issues. And now, with the imminent release of a new Bill Ward Band album, and the flurry of rumors about new Sabbath projects, I feel it appropriate to speak in a truthful and an un-cynical way.
There is always speculation about a true, original Sabbath lineup for the next tour or record. With a sad heart, I have to say I will not participate in any musical undertakings until a righting of the wrongs spoken against me has been achieved. I must admit, I have little to no expectations of this happening, but in the order of first things first, Iâm looking for an honest accountability of all of Ozzyâs statements that I felt were untrue. I would want Ozzy to amend his opinions and exaggerations. I would want him to be forthcoming about his unrealistic viewpoints. And because I was chastised publicly, I would want him to amend publicly in his words, and not through an Ozzy representative, the nature of the wrongs. I would not want to continue on with him without this seemingly impassible dilemma being addressed. I donât think previously strong relationships can remain strong after dispute by just sweeping the offensive stuff under the carpet, or by saying a puny sorry, or âoh, thatâs all over now.â It doesnât work like that for me. Righting of wrong works, and thatâs what I want if Iâm ever going to be his friend again.
Still undone and faraway is a âsignableâ contract. I would require a âsignableâ contract before moving one step toward a pathway that could lead to us all playing together again. I want a contract I can approve. Thatâs my truth. Thatâs my stand. Iâve listened to nothing but insults and false remarks, and if as a band or as individuals they wish to continue along the same lines, then any notion of an original Black Sabbath lineup will continue to fade away.
Put simply, itâs up to them. I have dearly missed playing with them and as people, I have been heartbroken over the loss of who I thought we were. And now you know where I stand.
Very soon my band, BWB will release a new album ironically called âAccountable Beasts.â I re- kick-started it in May 2012, and in an off and on journey to record, we have reached our final destination â a good mix, and a well mastered record. At this time we are putting the final touches on the digital booklet.
There are other multiple projects in different stages of progress, and I hope to bring more definitive news about them as things unfold this year. I have been very happy writing new songs, playing drums and working with other musicians. I have been blessed with musical visions and the ability to harness them. Iâm moving into the future with an optimistic outlook.
For our many Sabbath fans, I love you all dearly. You are extremely special people. You f*****g rock. I have been in deep regret since January 2012 that a true union was denied. Iâve remained faithful to you and honest with myself. Had I not been honest throughout I would have perished long ago. My hand is within yours, and I am encouraged to know you better. Stay safe and stay strong.
Now it is time to meet the circumstances of my statement and attend to what else is ongoing and before me.
Love,
Bill Ward
Terror_mit_uns wrote: M-77 kunne jeg aldri tenkt meg Ä gÄ langtur med.
Full farse nÄ:
In Response To Bill Ward
I never wanted to discuss this in a public forum but Bill's statements left me no option to but to respond honestly.
Wow Bill,
What the f**k are you on about? I cannot apologize for comments or opinions I may have made about you in the press during Sabbathâs â13â album and tour -- physically, you knew you were fucked. Tony, Geezer and myself didnât think you could have done a two hour set with a drum solo every night, so we made the decision to move on. With Tonyâs condition we felt that time was not on our side.
Bill, stop this smokescreen about an âunsignable contractâ and letâs be honest. Deep down inside you knew you werenât capable of doing the album and a 16 month tour. Unfortunately for you, our instincts were correct as you were in hospital several times during 2013. Your last hospitalization was for a shoulder surgery that you now say youâve only just recovered from. This would have meant that our world tour would have been canceled. So how is all of this my fault? Stop playing the victim and be honest with yourself and our fans.
Bill, we go back a long way, letâs stop this now before it gets out of hand.
God bless you.
Love.
Ozzy
The back and forth venom between founding Black Sabbath members Bill Ward and Ozzy Osbourne continues with Ward issuing a new response to Ozzyâs own response to the drummerâs initial open letter.
In a new post on Friday (April 17), Ward countered Ozzyâs reiteration that the drummer was out of shape and in no condition to perform with Black Sabbath when they reunited a few years back. Ward defended his first letter from earlier in the week, and essentially put an end to any chance that he would reunite with Sabbath for their final album and tour.
Read Wardâs entire post below:
You never wanted to discuss in a public forum. BUT, you did by making all these public comments during your interviews for the 13 album and tour. I was only responding in kind. Donât forget why I spoke out. If you had talked to me and shared your opinions privately, we wouldnât be here today.
I was ready and in shape to record. I knew I would need to get in better shape for the gigs âsame as I have needed to do and have done in the past. I was beginning my workout regime to get âtour ready.â I knew what I needed to do to play the gigs, and I was confident I would be ready. I would not commit to an extensive tour without believing I could go all the way with it. I wouldnât do that to our fans.
Shoulder Surgery. This was not a surgery that was an immediate necessity, or an emergency, or something that was prohibitive in terms of playing drums in Sabbath. It wasnât anything like that. I would have elected to do the surgery after we finished touring, but since that didnât come to pass, I scheduled it for the fall of 2013. My other surgery, yes was unexpected, but who among us knows what curve balls might be coming our way. Having had to recently cancel your own gigs, I think you could understand that and not hold someone to âwhat ifsâ.
The âunsignableâ contract isnât a smokescreen â itâs the truth. I have been honest with our fans on where I stand. Your opinions of me are completely immaterial â they have nothing to do with my reason for not participating â the âunsignableâ contract â thatâs it. I wonder if I had signed it if any of this would have come up? I imagine we would have made an album and done a tour with the original line up in place.
Hey Oz,
Itâs not going to work.
I can see you,
And, I read your statement.
Boy oh boy.
Well, I know I didnât expect you to respond to my request of an apology. By the way, itâs pretty easy to go back and really look at what was truth and what was not.
I notice youâre including Tony and Geezer in being in full agreement, that with my health condition I couldnât have played a two hour set with a drum solo. First time Iâve ever heard about a two hour show with a drum solo. But Iâm asking you, not them. Why did you stay in the studio working with me? Why did we go to England for band rehearsals in August 2011? Why did we continue rehearsing in the Fall? Why did we make the announcement of 11/11/11? Why did you call me in late January 2012 asking me to come over to England to continue rehearsals? Why, if you thought I was so unhealthy, did you continue with me at all? You know why, Oz, because I was fine. I was playing. I was good to go.
I ran into no, zero, health problems until October 22nd 2013. Oz, I could have played my ass off in 2012, all the way through to October 22nd 2013. The shoulder operation was optional. It was quiet and I needed a wear and tear adjustment. I was fine. I could have gone without surgery. But listen to you, hitting back and hard, too.
I donât believe a word of it. I am not an enemy. Eternity will show and serve as proof.
None of it, Oz.
Iâm not going to own a f*****g thing, other than I came into the studio initially overweight to tour, but not overweight to record. I was good to record. All of you know how much I put in, especially when I prepare to tour.
Your own anticipatory fear has got you by the balls. What f*****g smokescreen, about an unsignable contract.
Yes, letâs get honest. I did.
It came out in my statement Wednesday, April 15, 2015.
Iâm not playing (your quote). I never did. I donât f**k with sincerity and honesty, period. Iâve done nothing but bring my truth to the fans. Man, you spin it real well. Sorry I canât love you back, Oz. I put my love for you somewhere safe inside my heart in 2012 when your stories started showing up. Itâs hard to love someone who thinks heâs telling the truth by making false claims, elitist comments and just plain rude statements.
Itâll show up, Oz, in your dreams, in your daily days. Iâm clean and have nothing to feel doubtful about. All my actions have been of loyalty, honesty, and open-mindedness.
Stay safe old friend.
Sad we couldnât roll it out for the fans one more time.
I read your speculation, and your what ifs, your doubts. Iâm about as far away from being a victim as I am from Hell itself.
Wardâs latest retort comes after an interview he did with Rolling Stone, which was conducted before Ozzyâs response. Late last year, Osbourne revealed that Sabbath would record one more album and embark on one last tour. Recently, the band canceled a âfarewell showâ at Ozzfest Japan set for later this year, making the timeline of Black Sabbathâs final goodbye unclear.
Read More: Bill Ward Responds To Ozzy Osbourne With New Open Letter | http://loudwire.com/bill-ward-respond-o ... ck=tsmclip
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Beste album?
Jeg har ikke hĂžrt absolutt alle, men av de jeg har hĂžrt er det tre som har blitt favoritter, nemlig Sabotage, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath og Heaven And Hell.
Er ikke sÄ glad i de fÞrste skivene, liker prog-sabbath best.
Jeg har ikke hĂžrt absolutt alle, men av de jeg har hĂžrt er det tre som har blitt favoritter, nemlig Sabotage, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath og Heaven And Hell.
Er ikke sÄ glad i de fÞrste skivene, liker prog-sabbath best.
Heavy Metal
Loud as it can be
Loud as it can be
Iommi skal remixe "Forbidden". HÄper det er en remix bestÄende av nye lÄter.
http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/20 ... -forbidden
http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/20 ... -forbidden
Terror_mit_uns wrote: M-77 kunne jeg aldri tenkt meg Ä gÄ langtur med.
Haha, ja f**n heller, hjelper ikke med bedre lyd nÄr lÄtene er sÄ ufattelig kjedelige. Greit nok at lyden suger, men at Tony Martin-besetninga kunne komme opp med sÄ svake lÄter er er mysterium...M-77 wrote:Iommi skal remixe "Forbidden". HÄper det er en remix bestÄende av nye lÄter.
http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/20 ... -forbidden
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Blant bandets svakeste skiver, og det mÄ sies at det Ä fÄ Ernie C til Ä produsere skiva ei heller lÞftet helhetsinntrykket. Illusion Of Power (IceT's rapp til tross) er den lÄta som som er Martin-era Sabbath verdig, men det skal bli interessant Ä se om ny mix og produksjon kan gi Forbidden et lite lÞft....
Utsagn fra Brumunddal:Han: "Je mÄ innrÞmme att je er litt pÄ sjekker'n"
Hun: "Det kommer du ikke langt med her"
Han:"Je kjĂŠm helt i fra Ă sbygda je"!
Being a Klopp-timist YNWA <3
Hun: "Det kommer du ikke langt med her"
Han:"Je kjĂŠm helt i fra Ă sbygda je"!
Being a Klopp-timist YNWA <3
"Nytt" opptak av Sabbath live i april 1970. Helt f******a kanontĂžft:
Mer fra samme konsert, samt mye annet fett:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVijvI ... =0&sort=dd
Mer fra samme konsert, samt mye annet fett:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVijvI ... =0&sort=dd
Terror_mit_uns wrote: M-77 kunne jeg aldri tenkt meg Ä gÄ langtur med.
Sitter og nyter en pappabrus med "Seventh Star" pÄ anlegget. Faktisk en j****g kul plate, som jeg av ukjente grunner aldri har hÞrt pÄ fÞr inntil nylig. "The Eternal Idol" har ogsÄ vist seg Ä vÊre meget kurant. Kan sies at jeg har litt Sabbath-kick om dagen.
Vi dĂžde ikke... Vi har aldri levd.
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Seventh Star er mer koselig enn tĂžff. Phenomena fra Ă„ret fĂžr har litt av samme feelingen, men er mer gjennomfĂžrt og har en mer "mystisk" stemning.