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Re: Hipster Svartmetall

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M-77 wrote:Opplevelse av musikk er 100% subjektiv. Det er derfor det kan finnes mennesker som liker reggae.

For Ä diskutere det kvalitative for musikk mÄ man ha objektive referanserammer. Hvordan skal de defineres? Hva er riktig, hva er galt?

Det vil alltid vÊre individuelle preferanser som blir avgjÞrende for hvordan man vurderer musikk. Selv om jeg liker Ä tenke det selv sÄ er dessverre ikke min smak bedre enn noen andres. Unntaket er selvfÞlgelig i min egen lille boble.
Jo bare med det Ä bli enig om referanserammene har man jo en god og ofte opplysende diskusjon gÄende.

Innenfor denne sjangeren er jo begrep som dissonans og tempo relevante. Uten Ä komme inn pÄ preferanser, kan man jo for eksempel diskutere om bandet forsÞker Ä skape et sÄkalt "grimt" lydbilde med musikken sin, og da er det i sÄ fall mengde dissonans noe man kan snakke om (uten Ä nÞdvendigvis komme til enighet - det er ikke det eneste poenget med en diskusjon) - altsÄ i hvilken grad bandet oppnÄr det de forsÞker pÄ.

Istedet for Ä si at jeg ikke liker vokalen til Mare (lÄt: Nidrosian Moon Sabbat), noe som er en helt innholdslÞs ytring, sÄ foretrekker jeg heller Ä si at selv om den er relativt spesiell er den preglÞs - den stÄr ikke frem i forhold til resten av lÄta. Da har jeg altsÄ satt frem en ytring med innhold. Dette kan diskuteres, ved at noen som digger den ikke sier idioti som "Mare herjer, mann, og vokalen er best!" (som ogsÄ er en innholdslÞs ytring) men heller sier at den kanskje ikke dominerer lydbildet men bidrar til helheten... eller noe slikt. Uansett ville vi da hatt en diskusjon i gang, og selv om vi ikke blir enige har vi i det minste belyst relevant tankegods om musikk.

Har dette forumet i alle Ă„r virkelig vĂŠrt preget av "det nye albumet til Darkthrone er dritbra ass!" - "nei f**n, de spiller jo knapt metal, mann!" - "ok.".... ???

I sÄ fall, hva er poenget med forumet da? Promotion?
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Det mÄ i sÄ fall vere ei form for terapi.
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Skribent for hissig.no, kanskje?
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BiggusD wrote:
M-77 wrote:Opplevelse av musikk er 100% subjektiv. Det er derfor det kan finnes mennesker som liker reggae.

For Ä diskutere det kvalitative for musikk mÄ man ha objektive referanserammer. Hvordan skal de defineres? Hva er riktig, hva er galt?

Det vil alltid vÊre individuelle preferanser som blir avgjÞrende for hvordan man vurderer musikk. Selv om jeg liker Ä tenke det selv sÄ er dessverre ikke min smak bedre enn noen andres. Unntaket er selvfÞlgelig i min egen lille boble.
Jo bare med det Ä bli enig om referanserammene har man jo en god og ofte opplysende diskusjon gÄende.

Innenfor denne sjangeren er jo begrep som dissonans og tempo relevante. Uten Ä komme inn pÄ preferanser, kan man jo for eksempel diskutere om bandet forsÞker Ä skape et sÄkalt "grimt" lydbilde med musikken sin, og da er det i sÄ fall mengde dissonans noe man kan snakke om (uten Ä nÞdvendigvis komme til enighet - det er ikke det eneste poenget med en diskusjon) - altsÄ i hvilken grad bandet oppnÄr det de forsÞker pÄ.

Istedet for Ä si at jeg ikke liker vokalen til Mare (lÄt: Nidrosian Moon Sabbat), noe som er en helt innholdslÞs ytring, sÄ foretrekker jeg heller Ä si at selv om den er relativt spesiell er den preglÞs - den stÄr ikke frem i forhold til resten av lÄta. Da har jeg altsÄ satt frem en ytring med innhold. Dette kan diskuteres, ved at noen som digger den ikke sier idioti som "Mare herjer, mann, og vokalen er best!" (som ogsÄ er en innholdslÞs ytring) men heller sier at den kanskje ikke dominerer lydbildet men bidrar til helheten... eller noe slikt. Uansett ville vi da hatt en diskusjon i gang, og selv om vi ikke blir enige har vi i det minste belyst relevant tankegods om musikk.

Har dette forumet i alle Ă„r virkelig vĂŠrt preget av "det nye albumet til Darkthrone er dritbra ass!" - "nei f**n, de spiller jo knapt metal, mann!" - "ok.".... ???

I sÄ fall, hva er poenget med forumet da? Promotion?
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Denne trÄden er litt hipster.

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Folk som bruker ordet "grim" for Ä beskrive et lydbilde mÄ bli frarÞvet all kredibilitet.


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ghastly wrote:Folk som bruker ordet "grim" for Ä beskrive et lydbilde mÄ bli frarÞvet all kredibilitet.
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Uenig. Dog er merkelappen "grim black metal" idiotisk; finnes der black metal der ikke er grim?
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:toilet: Jeg brukte ordet grim i en setning pÄ side 1 i denne trÄden..

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Er det hipt Ä like Oranssi Pazuzu? Satt akkurat og lurte litt pÄ om de er ekte black metal, og fant ut at de kommer jaggu plutselig med ny skive. This makes me a happy hippy hipster.
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Johnny Tombthrasher wrote:Uenig. Dog er merkelappen "grim black metal" idiotisk; finnes der black metal der ikke er grim?
Vennligst ikke skriv at det finnes og kom med eksempler, for det er feil.
Det er vel ikke grim/ikke grim som er saken, men hvor mÞrkt/hardt/*insert adjective here* det er. "Grim" er vel et like greit samlebegrep som noe annet i sÄ mÄte. SÄ lenge det kommuniserer mer eller mindre det jeg mener driter jeg i at noen blir flaue og gjemmer seg bak en pute nÄr de ser det.


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Denne trÄden inspirerte meg til Ä sette pÄ Manes - Vilosophe
Meget bra plate, sÄ absolutt ikke black metal men den lÄner elementer fra sÄkalt 2. bÞlge black metal i form av kjapt tremoloplukkede gitarriff med uhyggelig stemning. Disse serveres dog bare innimellom i et svevende lydbilde hovedsaklig dominert av elektronica-musikk med melodisk og sÊrpreget vokal, samples og akustisk perkusjon. Jeg liker den fordi mollstemninger og melankolske meloditemaer appellerer til min mÞrke, eller egentlig mer kinda charcoal personlighet, samt at jeg har en forkjÊrlighet for bÄde elektronisk basert musikk og metal med "progressive tendenser". Jeg verdsetter ogsÄ albumets originalitet sÄvel i stil som i musikalsk innhold.

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Æsel wrote:Denne trĂ„den inspirerte meg til Ă„ sette pĂ„ Manes - Vilosophe
Meget bra plate, sÄ absolutt ikke black metal men den lÄner elementer fra sÄkalt 2. bÞlge black metal i form av kjapt tremoloplukkede gitarriff med uhyggelig stemning. Disse serveres dog bare innimellom i et svevende lydbilde hovedsaklig dominert av elektronica-musikk med melodisk og sÊrpreget vokal, samples og akustisk perkusjon. Jeg liker den fordi mollstemninger og melankolske meloditemaer appellerer til min mÞrke, eller egentlig mer kinda charcoal personlighet, samt at jeg har en forkjÊrlighet for bÄde elektronisk basert musikk og metal med "progressive tendenser". Jeg verdsetter ogsÄ albumets originalitet sÄvel i stil som i musikalsk innhold.

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Å benytte adjektivet 'grim' for Ă„ beskrive black metal eller definere nĂŠrmere hvilken type black metal man liker, er som Ă„ beskrive klassisk som 'komponert'.
"Jeg er sÄ glad i komponert klassisk!"
"Jeg er sÄ glad i melket melk og kjernet smÞr!"
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Man kan fint snakke om gjennomkomponert musikk, dog. SÄ gjennomgrimt mÄ vÊre OK.
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Grim er da innafor hvis man skal beskrive et bm bands lydbilde eller sound. Men som betegnelse pÄ undersjanger er det nei.


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This thread is making me thirsty!

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Post by BlueGrot »

brodie wrote:https://books.google.no/books?id=GCM2MF ... &q&f=false
wow.

Denne trÄden forklarer kanskje hvorfor jeg ikke klarte Ä like deafheaven. Andre band jeg pÄ ideologisk grunnlag mÄ holde meg unna?
Begynner fĂžrste setning med "One could...". Da rygga jeg kjapt. Skal man skrive om black metal kan man holde seg for god til veike formuleringer fra sĂŠremne om black metal.


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BlueGrot wrote:
brodie wrote:https://books.google.no/books?id=GCM2MF ... &q&f=false
wow.

Denne trÄden forklarer kanskje hvorfor jeg ikke klarte Ä like deafheaven. Andre band jeg pÄ ideologisk grunnlag mÄ holde meg unna?
Begynner fĂžrste setning med "One could...". Da rygga jeg kjapt. Skal man skrive om black metal kan man holde seg for god til veike formuleringer fra sĂŠremne om black metal.
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Det er denne som er verst, slik jeg ser det.

Den sier pÄ en mÄte at for at Black Metal skal fornyes, mÄ alt som utgjÞr BM endres til det motsatte.

Skal man skrive et sÊremne om noe som helst, mÄ man holde seg for god til veike formuleringer.

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